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Intermittent not reaching high cruise RPM
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3 months ago
July 13, 2023 at 9:14 pm Something odd happens today. CAT 3126 MUI normal cruise about 2400 rpm max is 2850. Trolling speed for about 6 hours then time to run for home. STBD engine was at the throttle stop and only reached 2350. Ran fine at that RPM. So I throttled down ran it up and went right up to 2850 throttled back to cruise RPM 2400 and slowly had to keep pushing the STBD throttle forward until it was at the stop again holding only 2350. Port throttle was in its n…
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2 RepliesDecember 31, 2023 at 2:16 pm No one yet? Did you get it sorted out?Last Post by:
posted: 3 months ago
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Fuel burn says Iām over loading the motors..
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7 months ago
February 28, 2021 at 8:41 am CAT 3126 420 HP 2800 WOT. Purchased new 3 blade ACME props 2 seasons ago and it made a big performance difference and the boat is running great. But… hereās the rest of the story. Finally got fuel flow info. RPM CAT spec. GPH My burn 2850. 23.0 23.1 2500. 15.0 15.5 2400. 13.2. …
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15 RepliesSeptember 21, 2023 at 6:18 am The standard power requirement curve says that the power (and fuel burn) needed is directly related to the RPM raised to some exponential factor. Cummins uses 2.7 for the exponential factor. I analyzed the Cat specs in your first post, and it is clear in that case the exponential factor is 3.0. So, yes, the factory specs are different. The Cat spec is a bit more restrictive at mid-range RPMs. However, that is irrelevant for either Cummins or Cat…Last Post by:
posted: 7 months ago
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Impeller quality vs price
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1 year ago
April 3, 2023 at 6:24 am I see the Sherwood 17000 series for sale on line from around $35 to $70 a piece I ended up buying a 2 pack from sherwood $105 thinking the cheaper ones are probably inferior. Anyone know for sure?
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3 RepliesApril 3, 2023 at 5:14 pm Ya don’t say, LoL. This one had me looking at the entire HX system before getting to it since it was relatively new I didn’t even think about it. But once I tried to remove it and saw just the hub coming out….I knew it was the issue.Last Post by:
posted: 1 year ago
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Prop speed, worth doing?
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2 years ago March 1, 2019 at 12:30 pm Thinking of trying some new ACME props and wondering while Iām at it if I should put prop speed on the running gear. Has anyone had experience with this product?
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March 7, 2022 at 1:22 pm I’ve had good results with prop-speed.Ā Basically extended cleaning the running gear for 12 months and not having to pull the boat last season.Ā Ā Prop-speed applied May, 2020 No running gear cleaned in 2020 1st cleaning Labor day weekend 2021 (had lost 2 knots), one side was fine the other had a barnacle strikeĀ Had diver clean running gear again in Nov B4 the water got to cold as a pre-cautionĀ Once its scape it’s lost it’s ef…
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posted: 2 years ago
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Exhaust pipe min diameter for 420 HP
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2 years ago June 10, 2021 at 2:27 pm Had new exhaust riser built. Sent them old one. New one came back with 3 inch pipe from flange to bolt on turbo. Old one was 3 1/2 inches, they want me to do a back pressure test to see if itās ok as is. I looked at a chart that says 3 inch too small for 420 hp. I want a new part. What do you guys think?
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7 RepliesJune 11, 2021 at 10:32 am Spoke with the owner today. He said they will fix it. So Iām gonna hope for the best and see what happens next. Hard to understand how this got missed but it did.Last Post by:
posted: 2 years ago
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CAT 3126 MUI. Leaking injector?
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4 years ago January 18, 2020 at 9:25 pm I started the motors after having sat about 6 weeks and I noticed a small splattering of what I think was diesel fuel rainbow drops in the water from starboard exhaust. They cleared up/stopped after about 3 minutes at dock idle. Next day I started the motor again and no rainbow splatters. No unusual smoke at cruise and both motors seems to be running fine. I did notice this past summer that only after several hours or trolling Iād get a bit m…
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2 RepliesJanuary 19, 2020 at 5:44 pm Yikes! Iāll wait and see. Iām Curious what the cold temperatures relationship to this problem might be? Are Injectors more prone to leaking when itās cold?Last Post by:
posted: 4 years ago
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When getting over the hump to planing speed smoke question.
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4 years ago July 15, 2019 at 7:22 pm I recently changed props (I posted before after the info on this forum) and Iām wondering about the smoke getting on plan. Old props 4 blade 20×24 The new props are 3 blade 22×23. I think Iām getting more black and some noticeable white smoke coming onto plane (after trolling a few hours @ 850rpm) than I did with the old props. Would this be expected/normal because of the 2 inch increase in prop diameter? The motors are CATS rated 420…
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2 RepliesJuly 15, 2019 at 9:52 pm I worked with Jim @ ACME props. I was looking for better performance and range and thought my 2002 boatās stock props were not performing based on what I was reading about similar boatās with less HP motors running ACME props. The boat has 420HP 3126 MUI motors. Youāre right I need to get fuel flow numbers and see where I am on the HP curve at my cruise power setting. I picked up about 50 NM range on a 350 gal tank, which is significant and t…Last Post by:
posted: 4 years ago
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What size are my fuel hoses?
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4 years ago June 10, 2019 at 9:01 am Iāve got CAT 3126 420 HP motors. The CAT part fuel hose on the governor is 3/8 inch. Would CABO put the same size line for the fuel hoses to the engine or would they up it to 1/2 inch? Iām adding a fuel flow sensor and trying to figure out what size barb setup to order. The hoses have numbers on them but no sizing info. Thanks for any help.
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2 RepliesJune 10, 2019 at 1:24 pm Thanks Rob! I was hoping those numbers would mean something to someone. Obviously I didnāt even notice the one that mattered. Great catch!Last Post by:
posted: 4 years ago
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Stack EGT drops at higher RPM?
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May 3, 2019 at 9:11 pm Looking at the below chart I noticed the exhaust manifold temps increase steadily with engine RPM but exhaust stack temperatures decreases from 2400 rpm to 2600 rpm in the 420 And 385 HP version. All 3 HP ratings have this drop. On other boards folks comment they ādiscoveredā with EGT gauges that their motors are āworking lessā at higher RPMs due to a drop in the stack EGT. They increase RPMs at cruise to get this EGT drop thinking this is be…
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9 RepliesMay 13, 2019 at 5:03 pm The sea conditions I was in were honest 4ā seas with the odd 6 footer mixed in coming from about 8 oāclock. I could not run my normal 20 knot plane without burying the bow so I dropped down to the speed where the boat was barely in plane at about 15-16 knots to stay behind the seas. I was really going uphill on th backs of waves the entire way home. This put me in the max. Torque and heat range for the QSM for those 6 hours which combined wit…Last Post by:
posted: 4 years ago
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Prop load vs fuel burn vs overloaded.
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4 years ago April 30, 2019 at 11:37 am I was rereading props move boats engines just turn them. I understand itās possible to load an engine rated at say 500 HP @ 2800 WOT rpm to produce 500 HP at say 2000 WOT RPM (overpropped) and the fuel burn in both cases should be the same as published on the manufacturers charts, correct? There is damage being done even if the engine is maintaining a proper temperature, I get that. Iām trying to understand what actually is damaging the engine…
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5 RepliesMay 3, 2019 at 9:25 am Anybody ever here of this company and itās fuel flow options? https://shop.interactio.co/collections/frontpage/products/4-optio-fuel-wireless-flow-sensors-twin-diesel-bundleLast Post by:
posted: 4 years ago
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Is an EGT alarm a better overheat indicator than coolent temp.
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5 years ago January 28, 2018 at 5:10 pm Iām considering installing EGT gauges with alarms to augment my coolent temp gauges/alarms. Iām thinking this is an overall better heads up that things are heating up. Iāve read that if you lost all coolant (blown hose) you may not get an alarm due to sensors no longer submerged in coolant. Am I thinking corectly? Is it worth installing these? Any strong opinions? Thanks! Joe
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14 RepliesApril 13, 2019 at 10:23 am IMO, in a Marine application using Cummins mid-range engines ( and probably most others) , the most import alarms you have can would be redundant coolant temp ( a tad below 200F) and seawater flow. How you do that is totally up to you but this site shows may options/pics.. Tony..Last Post by:
posted: 5 years ago
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Update: ACME prop swap and performance results.
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5 years ago April 11, 2019 at 8:24 am I have CAT 420 HP @ 2800 rpm. 1 3/4 inch shaft, 1:48 trans. I had 4 blade stock props, 20 x 24. Not sure of cup. Old props WOT 2850 with laser tac. I included my low tec test results below. Sea trialed props on the same day, old props and bottom cleaned day before. Looked great when hauled. Boat was loaded with full fuel and water but just me, probably up to 1500lbs missing from normal trip weight, crew, ice and bait tank water etc. Jim @ ACM…
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2 RepliesApril 12, 2019 at 7:09 am Interesting results to say the least. When I bought this boat 4 years ago I had the original props pulled and sent to prop shop, class 1. I monitored the performance of the boat over these past few years and my mileage has been about .85 NMPG. I wonāt know for sure until I do several trips what eal world burn now is. If I use CATs GPH burn numbers at 2200-2300 rpm and the new props boat speed Iām looking at 1 NMPG. Pretty impressive range in…Last Post by:
posted: 5 years ago
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Testing a generator siphon Break
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5 years ago February 18, 2019 at 9:51 pm Saw a sticker saying I need to test the syphin every 6 months. How do I do this and do people really check their syphins every 6 month? How do they stop working?
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9 RepliesMarch 6, 2019 at 6:44 pm Thanks Rob! I put a copy in my boat file.Last Post by:
posted: 5 years ago
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Cleaning crankcase breather
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5 years ago February 18, 2019 at 9:57 pm My motor manual says I need to clean the crankcase breather element with a non flammable liquid. What would that be, simple green? Any other suggestions? Manual says oil seal can leak if it isnāt cleaned. Is this due to over pressure if the breather canāt breath?
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1 ReplyFebruary 27, 2019 at 7:42 pm Simple green would work well… or Dawn… something like that… then let the breather element “sun dry”…Last Post by:
posted: 5 years ago
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Changing prop diameter.
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February 8, 2019 at 12:39 pm I was using a prop calculator from a different web site and Iām wondering about the result. Iāve got a 22000 lb ā avg planningā hull. About 28 feet of water line, 1:483 trans, 420 hp cats @ 2880 WOT and 4 blade 20 x 24 I think cupped wheels. I cruise at 2350 about 20-22knots conditions/weight dependent. The calculator says I should have 21.2 x 22.3 cupped or 23.5 no cup. What does the cupping do for a props performance? If someone can tell if …
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7 RepliesFebruary 11, 2019 at 1:09 pm Joe, If you want to get a handle on whatās going on with your props, itād be a good idea to read Dave Gerrs book ā The Propeller Handbookā. Itās not a tech manual, itās easy to read and understand. Your best bet is always to work closely with a reputable prop shop in your area.Last Post by:
posted: 5 years ago
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āExercisingā house deep cycle batteries
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5 years ago January 31, 2019 at 7:23 am Just installed new start and house batteries. I read somewhere that itās a good idea to draw down the deep cycle batteries and then recharge them. Is there a preferred way to do this? Is this something most folks do or is it not that important? Thanks!
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4 RepliesFebruary 1, 2019 at 3:33 am Scott Lambert wrote: I would recommend fitting one, even though they are not cheap. Thanks for the input Scott. Yes a “monitor” is pricey and adds the other features Scott mentions but a simple “meter” is cheap and easy and gives you that one most important pc of info – accurate voltage at the terminals. The DVM: https://www.sbmar.com/product/smx-digital-dc-voltage-monitor/ The Article; https://www.sbmar.com/articl…Last Post by:
posted: 5 years ago
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2002 5 KW Westerbeke preheating question
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5 years ago January 3, 2019 at 8:13 pm What is a normal amount of time to hold the preheat when itās colder? Also how long is too long for the motor to start after hitting the starter? Today I held pre heat for 30 seconds and it took about 15 seconds to start. Which seemed like a long time to run the starter. Normal?? At what point in hard cold starting would I need to check out the glow plug condition? Machine has about 700 hours and runs fine once started and starts right up if…
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4 RepliesJanuary 31, 2019 at 7:16 am To follow up on this topic. As mentioned as a possibility by other posters my start batteries were weak/bad. The preheat was draining them and when I hit the starter the generator was not turning over as it should delaying the start. New batteries it starts right up the way itās use to. Thanks to all!Last Post by:
posted: 5 years ago
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WOT RPM speed to weight relationship.
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5 years ago December 10, 2018 at 12:05 pm Hi all, Reading various topics Iām still trying to understand how WOT RPM is affected by weight. On my boat it seems that I remember and I do need to recheck it again, that my WOT was not affected much if at all by weight. However my speed did decrease. Taking a planning Hull boat with clean bottom propped correctly would a lighter boat have a higher WOT RPM than a heavy boat or will the boat just go faster than a heavy boat with the WOT rpm sta…
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14 RepliesDecember 30, 2018 at 1:13 pm Wow! Great info. Thanks to all. For me it seems the takeaway is what has been preached here, make sure your motors are under propped to reach rated rpm ++. This way you can keep your āloadedā fuel burn under the manufactures spec for any given rpm thereby not āoverloadingā or over stressing the engine at any rpm. The charts of RPM vs GPH now make more sense to me. That number is the most fuel burn your motor is āratedā to have IF propped corr…Last Post by:
posted: 5 years ago
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Accidental cruise power shut down, any damage?
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6 years ago April 8, 2018 at 11:51 am Just serviced oil and heading back to the slip. Motors are at cruise power about 2200 rpm of 2880. I hit a wave while reaching for the trim switch and my fat finger bumped the stop switch on the port engine shutting it down. Stopped the boat, tried to restart and couldnāt get the mistaken shut down motor to turn over. Finally realize it was still in gear put it in nuetral and started right up. The boat ran fine home but now Iām obsessing that I …
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2 RepliesApril 30, 2018 at 7:27 pm Thanks Tony.Last Post by:
posted: 6 years ago
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Leave tank full all winter or leave room for fresh fuel?
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6 years ago November 12, 2017 at 6:38 pm Whats the best thing for the fuel tank/system or does it matter. Should l fill it up and let it sit since my boat isn’t used as much in the winter or leave it 1/2 full so to put fresh fuel in come spring? What’s the consensus or is there one?
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1 ReplyNovember 13, 2017 at 6:36 am Joe, I’m up here in MA/NH. I don’t recall ever treating a diesel fuel tank for winter layup and I put the boats away with whatever amount is in the tank. Never an issue. Regards, Bill DLast Post by:
posted: 6 years ago
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Intermittent not reaching high cruise RPM
