Cummins Marine Diesel Repower Specialists Forums Instrumentation & Electronics Is an EGT alarm a better overheat indicator than coolent temp.

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    Joe Monaco
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    Vessel Name: Tunacious
    Engines: 3126 TA 420 hp
    Location: San Diego
    Country: USA

    I’m considering installing EGT gauges with alarms to augment my coolent temp gauges/alarms. I’m thinking this is an overall better heads up that things are heating up. I’ve read that if you lost all coolant (blown hose) you may not get an alarm due to sensors no longer submerged in coolant.

    Am I thinking corectly? Is it worth installing these? Any strong opinions?

    Thanks! Joe

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    Tony Athens
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    Vessel Name: Local Banks
    Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
    Location: Oxnard, CA
    Country: USA

    IMO, in a Marine application using Cummins mid-range engines ( and probably most others) , the most import alarms you have can would be redundant coolant temp ( a tad below 200F) and seawater flow.

    How you do that is totally up to you but this site shows may options/pics..

    Tony..

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    Joe Monaco
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    Vessel Name: Tunacious
    Engines: 3126 TA 420 hp
    Location: San Diego
    Country: USA

    Sorry for resurrecting old thread but I wanted to ask opinions on this engine temp alarm product. It’s called engine watchdog. Looks like a lead just goes under an engine bolt and you set the temp you want the alarm to go off. Seems pretty straight forward and would catch any cause of cooling system failure. Anyone use this? Any opinions on its effectiveness in early detection of a problem?

    http://enginewatchdog.com/

    #27735

    Dan
    Participant
    Engines: Cummins
    Country: USA

    Bill,
    I’m no where near the boat at this time,so I can’t reference my records -from memory the impellers where under 150 hours,around six months old,the other one still hasn’t been changed.

    The one that failed was the one that picked up the oyster shell, damage was probably done then.

    Rob
    They have served me well,for under two hundred dollars they certainly have paid for themselves,yes its a pursuit- speed is in MPH.

    #27686

    Rob Schepis
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    Vessel Name: Tenacious
    Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
    Location: Long Island, NY
    Country: USA

    Dan,

    Thanks for the followup and all the info. Looks like the setup did you well.
    Understood about accuracy vs. “reference”… you have a reference and that’s what matters.
    30knots — Wow!
    Is that a Tiara/Pursuit? Looks to be from the dash design..

    #27685

    William Walter
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    Vessel Name: Positive rate
    Engines: Cummings 480ce
    Location: Long island
    Country: Usa

    Impeller

    Just curious. How old was the impeller. Bill

    #27679

    Dan
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    Engines: Cummins
    Country: USA

    Rob,

    I mounted the sender units on a bulkhead higher than the motors and ran about four feet of braided fuel vacuum hose to a nipple on the back end of each raw water pump,the sender units come with a nmea 2000 T, the installation of the sender unit,plumbing and the nmea T was about an hour to install for two units.

    I don’t think the info is that accurate, but it is consistent, and I’m able to monitor them for changes,the two gauges normally run within very close readings to each other, my alarms are set for 3 to4 KPA minimum from memory.

    The MFD can display the info as a traditional analog style,numeric or both,alarms can be set at whatever is desirable.

    To answer your question about readings – each engine

    Idles at between 6- 7 KPA
    2200 RPM both at 40-42 KPA
    2400 RPM both at 49-50 KPA

    The first time they indicated an issue to me was when an oyster shell growing inside the raw water pickup on one engine dislodged and semi blocked the intake to the strainer,water pressure at speed dropped off and I could clearly see a drop in pressure on the MFD.

    On a trip in October running at 2200 RPM’s both gauges where showing similar readings of 40 – 42 KPA,the next day running home at 2200 RPM’s much the same info initially but as time went on I could see pressure falling away on one engine,there was no change in engine temp and water flow out the exhaust seemed normal, I put my hand on the raw water pump and it was cool to touch so I continued on.

    For the final 5 minutes of the trip I pushed the engines up to 2400 RPM and thats when I took the attached pic,the two water pressures are indicated in the top of the graph bar as 50.60 and 32.70.I brought the engines back to idle, the water pressure dropped below the alarm trigger point and the alarm sounded on the engine with issues (the alarm is both audible and visual in a pop up window on the screen)…I pulled the pump apart and two veins had come off the impeller,others where in bad shape. Since I reassembled that pump it has consistently run at a slightly higher pressure that the other.

    The gauges/alarms performed as needed and alerted me to an imminent failure on one occasion and an issue on another occasion.

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    #27672

    Scotth
    Participant
    Location: Shoreline
    Country: United States

    Just a side note, our Volvo D13 has a “seawater” pressure alarm after the pump, even though it is on a closed loop circuit for the aftercooler. Not sure what the trigger point for the alarm is.

    #27662

    Rob Schepis
    Forum Moderator
    Vessel Name: Tenacious
    Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
    Location: Long Island, NY
    Country: USA

    Dan,
    Thanks for the contribution. Unlike outboard motors, monitoring raw water “pressure” on inboards is not common. Would be interesting to see your installation as to where along the system you T’d in for the sensor tubing. Also interested to see what pressures you are seeing at the different RPM’s.

    #27656

    Dan
    Participant
    Engines: Cummins
    Country: USA

    Joe,
    Something you could consider is a raw water pressure indicator/alarm hooked up to your MFD,if you have a lowrance or simrad MFD a pressure sensor is available for around $80.

    Simple to hook up and you can set the alarms to sound at a set pressure, and monitor the water pressure from the MFD,.Ive been using them for about a year and they work well,the fittings and hose required to fit them was about $20.

    Cheap insurance as the raw water flow is usually the first to fail.

    https://ww2.lowrance.com/en-CA/Products/NMEA-2000/pressure-sensor-en-ca.aspx

    #27653

    Rob Schepis
    Forum Moderator
    Vessel Name: Tenacious
    Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
    Location: Long Island, NY
    Country: USA

    There is no “catch all” …,, each system needs it’s own specific alarm. The wet exhaust alarm will alarm against a loss of raw water. It will not alarm against engine overheat due to coolant loss or any other cause.

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    Joe Monaco
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    Vessel Name: Tunacious
    Engines: 3126 TA 420 hp
    Location: San Diego
    Country: USA

    Great article thanks.

    So would a raw water wet exhaust temp alarm be a good redundant catch all? That would catch a loss of raw water flow, correct? I’ve installed a fresh water flush and would rather not complicate that T with a flow switch. The wet exhaust temp strap seems like an easy install. If set close to max normal wet exhaust temp would that also catch an overheating engine due to coolant loss?

    #27603

    Rob Schepis
    Forum Moderator
    Vessel Name: Tenacious
    Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
    Location: Long Island, NY
    Country: USA

    Joe,

    Great to see you are interested in this stuff. You are confusing EGT with alarming for loss of raw water at the wet exhaust outlet.

    Read here about alarming for the loss of raw water at the wet exhaust outlet:

    Redundant Alarms – The Least Expensive Engine Insurance

    #27602

    Tony Athens
    Moderator
    Vessel Name: Local Banks
    Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
    Location: Oxnard, CA
    Country: USA

    Joe,

    Listen close and to Corey………………

    EGT in any situation or engine make or model and coolant temperature, are not related…………..

    Tony

    #27600

    Corey Schmidt
    Forum Moderator
    Vessel Name: Rebel Belle
    Engines: Cummins
    Location: Oxnard, CA
    Country: USA

    Joe, if you’re worried about a blown coolant hose then having a coolant temp alarm (or two) will be your best bet.

    An EGT alarm (never installed one) would never properly indicate to you that you have blown an engine coolant hose… EVER.

    More importantly, a raw water alarm is probably the single best alarm you can have have as the majority of failure points IMO hover around the loss of raw water… i.e. blown hose, bad impeller, blocked thru-hull, etc etc.

    Call me at the shop sometime and I can explain in much more detail the value of redundant analog alarms for your engines…

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