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January 28, 2018 at 5:10 pm #27597
I’m considering installing EGT gauges with alarms to augment my coolent temp gauges/alarms. I’m thinking this is an overall better heads up that things are heating up. I’ve read that if you lost all coolant (blown hose) you may not get an alarm due to sensors no longer submerged in coolant.
Am I thinking corectly? Is it worth installing these? Any strong opinions?
Thanks! Joe
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April 13, 2019 at 10:23 am #66859
Tony AthensModeratorVessel Name: Local Banks
Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
Location: Oxnard, CA
Country: USA
IMO, in a Marine application using Cummins mid-range engines ( and probably most others) , the most import alarms you have can would be redundant coolant temp ( a tad below 200F) and seawater flow.
How you do that is totally up to you but this site shows may options/pics..
Tony..
April 13, 2019 at 8:33 am #66855Sorry for resurrecting old thread but I wanted to ask opinions on this engine temp alarm product. It’s called engine watchdog. Looks like a lead just goes under an engine bolt and you set the temp you want the alarm to go off. Seems pretty straight forward and would catch any cause of cooling system failure. Anyone use this? Any opinions on its effectiveness in early detection of a problem?
February 1, 2018 at 11:04 am #27735Bill,
I’m no where near the boat at this time,so I can’t reference my records -from memory the impellers where under 150 hours,around six months old,the other one still hasn’t been changed.The one that failed was the one that picked up the oyster shell, damage was probably done then.
Rob
They have served me well,for under two hundred dollars they certainly have paid for themselves,yes its a pursuit- speed is in MPH.January 31, 2018 at 6:20 pm #27686
Rob SchepisForum ModeratorVessel Name: Tenacious
Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
Location: Long Island, NY
Country: USA
Dan,
Thanks for the followup and all the info. Looks like the setup did you well.
Understood about accuracy vs. “reference”… you have a reference and that’s what matters.
30knots — Wow!
Is that a Tiara/Pursuit? Looks to be from the dash design..January 31, 2018 at 5:24 pm #27685
William WalterParticipantVessel Name: Positive rate
Engines: Cummings 480ce
Location: Long island
Country: Usa
Impeller
Just curious. How old was the impeller. Bill
January 31, 2018 at 12:12 pm #27679Rob,
I mounted the sender units on a bulkhead higher than the motors and ran about four feet of braided fuel vacuum hose to a nipple on the back end of each raw water pump,the sender units come with a nmea 2000 T, the installation of the sender unit,plumbing and the nmea T was about an hour to install for two units.
I don’t think the info is that accurate, but it is consistent, and I’m able to monitor them for changes,the two gauges normally run within very close readings to each other, my alarms are set for 3 to4 KPA minimum from memory.
The MFD can display the info as a traditional analog style,numeric or both,alarms can be set at whatever is desirable.
To answer your question about readings – each engine
Idles at between 6- 7 KPA
2200 RPM both at 40-42 KPA
2400 RPM both at 49-50 KPAThe first time they indicated an issue to me was when an oyster shell growing inside the raw water pickup on one engine dislodged and semi blocked the intake to the strainer,water pressure at speed dropped off and I could clearly see a drop in pressure on the MFD.
On a trip in October running at 2200 RPM’s both gauges where showing similar readings of 40 – 42 KPA,the next day running home at 2200 RPM’s much the same info initially but as time went on I could see pressure falling away on one engine,there was no change in engine temp and water flow out the exhaust seemed normal, I put my hand on the raw water pump and it was cool to touch so I continued on.
For the final 5 minutes of the trip I pushed the engines up to 2400 RPM and thats when I took the attached pic,the two water pressures are indicated in the top of the graph bar as 50.60 and 32.70.I brought the engines back to idle, the water pressure dropped below the alarm trigger point and the alarm sounded on the engine with issues (the alarm is both audible and visual in a pop up window on the screen)…I pulled the pump apart and two veins had come off the impeller,others where in bad shape. Since I reassembled that pump it has consistently run at a slightly higher pressure that the other.
The gauges/alarms performed as needed and alerted me to an imminent failure on one occasion and an issue on another occasion.
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January 31, 2018 at 10:31 am #27672Just a side note, our Volvo D13 has a “seawater” pressure alarm after the pump, even though it is on a closed loop circuit for the aftercooler. Not sure what the trigger point for the alarm is.
January 31, 2018 at 6:04 am #27662
Rob SchepisForum ModeratorVessel Name: Tenacious
Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
Location: Long Island, NY
Country: USA
Dan,
Thanks for the contribution. Unlike outboard motors, monitoring raw water “pressure” on inboards is not common. Would be interesting to see your installation as to where along the system you T’d in for the sensor tubing. Also interested to see what pressures you are seeing at the different RPM’s.January 30, 2018 at 5:38 pm #27656Joe,
Something you could consider is a raw water pressure indicator/alarm hooked up to your MFD,if you have a lowrance or simrad MFD a pressure sensor is available for around $80.Simple to hook up and you can set the alarms to sound at a set pressure, and monitor the water pressure from the MFD,.Ive been using them for about a year and they work well,the fittings and hose required to fit them was about $20.
Cheap insurance as the raw water flow is usually the first to fail.
https://ww2.lowrance.com/en-CA/Products/NMEA-2000/pressure-sensor-en-ca.aspx
January 30, 2018 at 5:13 pm #27653
Rob SchepisForum ModeratorVessel Name: Tenacious
Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
Location: Long Island, NY
Country: USA
There is no “catch all” …,, each system needs it’s own specific alarm. The wet exhaust alarm will alarm against a loss of raw water. It will not alarm against engine overheat due to coolant loss or any other cause.
January 30, 2018 at 4:17 pm #27650Great article thanks.
So would a raw water wet exhaust temp alarm be a good redundant catch all? That would catch a loss of raw water flow, correct? I’ve installed a fresh water flush and would rather not complicate that T with a flow switch. The wet exhaust temp strap seems like an easy install. If set close to max normal wet exhaust temp would that also catch an overheating engine due to coolant loss?
January 28, 2018 at 7:47 pm #27603
Rob SchepisForum ModeratorVessel Name: Tenacious
Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
Location: Long Island, NY
Country: USA
Joe,
Great to see you are interested in this stuff. You are confusing EGT with alarming for loss of raw water at the wet exhaust outlet.
Read here about alarming for the loss of raw water at the wet exhaust outlet:
January 28, 2018 at 7:30 pm #27602
Tony AthensModeratorVessel Name: Local Banks
Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
Location: Oxnard, CA
Country: USA
Joe,
Listen close and to Corey………………
EGT in any situation or engine make or model and coolant temperature, are not related…………..
TonyJanuary 28, 2018 at 6:51 pm #27600
Corey SchmidtForum ModeratorVessel Name: Rebel Belle
Engines: Cummins
Location: Oxnard, CA
Country: USA
Joe, if you’re worried about a blown coolant hose then having a coolant temp alarm (or two) will be your best bet.
An EGT alarm (never installed one) would never properly indicate to you that you have blown an engine coolant hose… EVER.
More importantly, a raw water alarm is probably the single best alarm you can have have as the majority of failure points IMO hover around the loss of raw water… i.e. blown hose, bad impeller, blocked thru-hull, etc etc.
Call me at the shop sometime and I can explain in much more detail the value of redundant analog alarms for your engines…
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