Cummins Marine Diesel Repower Specialists Forums General Discussion Testing 2013 Seaboard Pyrometer

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    Larry Backman
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    Vessel Name: Skipjack
    Engines: QSM 670
    Location: Cape Cod, MA
    Country: US

    I have a circa 2013 Seaboard pyrometer in a QSM 770 not reading this season at startup.  It has power as it’s lit but the gauge sits at 100, doesn’t move.

     

    what’s changed?  Entirely new electronics package and dashboard, engine was heavily serviced including new turbo and exhaust.  The sensor was not touched in all of this.  Wires look OK, connections look OK.

     

    what’s the easiest and fastest way to isolate whether it’s gauge, sensor or wiring as the problem?  Can I leave sensor, wire as is and probe the 4 pin connector with an ohmmeter to isolate the issue?

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    Clark Leighs
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    I will chime in for anyone else looking  for info.

    These probes are thermocouples.  There are many different types for specific uses and for more accurate reading at lower temps.   

    I suspect your is  a “K” type.    which can handle the heat easily but is somewhat less accurate than some others.     In this case the K is more than good enough.

    They are NOT resistive devices.   They are two different metals joined at the points/ends.  That join when heated will produce a voltage.  As the temperature rises so does the voltage.   Those voltages are well documented and are used by the guage or meter to decode and present the temperature.

    Yes, resistance can be used to confirm there is continuity but it is NOT always reliable as a test of the thermocouple itself. 

    There are types that are grounded internally at the probe  which can show continuity even though damaged and no longer able to read properly. The joint can be broken but jammed against the probe casing to show continuity yet the ability to produce the needed voltage is gone.

    Others, when the cable had been damaged away from the heat source and the conductors pinched together can show continuity.

    I have seen both in my work.

     

    When you have problems of course check the connections, plugs  and so on.     As Tony suggested a torch can be used on the probe end itself to confirm yea or nay.    They are not repairable unless it is simply a poor connection as was the case in this thread.. 

    If you need to extend the lead length there is specific wire needed to do so or the voltage can be altered leading to misreadings.  To be clear we ignored this requirement and it was still accurate enough for our machines.   But in some cases  it can cause trouble.     Best to order a replacement when needed with more lead length than needed and coil the excess up or trim it back.    suspect for exhaust temp reading though a copper wire extension would be acceptable.

    JMO

     

    Last but not least and this catches many folk on K.     The RED wire is the negative.  Do not follow typical wiring practice with the lead colour coding or the polarity will be backwards.

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    Larry Backman
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    Vessel Name: Skipjack
    Engines: QSM 670
    Location: Cape Cod, MA
    Country: US

    LMAO – so simple…

    We pulled the 4 pin connector to try and measure a change in ohms from engine off to engine on.

     

    and we found a bent pin on one of the leads…….

    #130775

    Larry Backman
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    Vessel Name: Skipjack
    Engines: QSM 670
    Location: Cape Cod, MA
    Country: US

    Any way to test at the connector end with an ohmmeter?

    If I pull the probe I might as well get a new one, run a new wire, etc.  can I start the engine and observe a before and after change at the 4 pin connector to isolate probe vs, gauge.    Also – is there a means to get the gauge to peg with the ohmmeter?

    #130748

    Tony Athens
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    Vessel Name: Local Banks
    Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
    Location: Oxnard, CA
    Country: USA

    Pull the probe

     

    Use a propane torch on the tip “See What Happens”

     

    If nothing, pull the lead on the meter-put a DVM of them “DC”  mv setting -use the torch again- if no voltage the probe is went poo-poo

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