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    Daryl Keyser
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    Vessel Name: Oaky Doak
    Engines: QSB 380 5.9
    Location: Boston MA
    Country: United States

    I purchased a 2007 391 Meridian with qsb 380 5. 9 Cummins with 330 hours last July. On the initial sea trial the port turbo was found to be seized by the engine surveyor. I had the previous owner have the turbos rebuilt . It was done by the company that did the survey.
    On the second sea trial both engines ran strong around 2850 wot. It has been running just as well a year later.
    Last night I noticed soot on the turbo and coming from behind the exhaust elbow wrap. When I removed the wrap I found what I will post in the pictures. The exhaust wrap was covering the bolts and flange before I removed it. The starboard wrap came up short of the flange. It looks in good shape.
    Is it possible for the mechanic to rebuild turbos without removing the flange?? If he did I’m assuming they would have definitely replaced with new bolts and washers.
    I found on the Meridian forum that the 2006 models did not have enough pitch on the port exhaust. Allowing water to get to the turbos occasionally. The problem was supposedly fixed by 2007. I’m just wondering if I got one that slipped through the cracks. I’m reaching out to Meridian and the original dealer of the boat to see if they have any info. Probably will be tough considering they are not manufacturing them anymore.
    I’m going to pull the elbow once I have heard from the mechanic who did the rebuild. I’m assuming the original issue that created the seized turbo has not been resolved.
    I did find a small drop of antifreeze on the coolant hose clamp below the turbo. Couldn’t this have been creating the rust and soot if it was dissipating up behind the wrap?
    I am new to Diesels and very appreciative of the wealth of knowledge on this site. Any input would be greatly appreciated. thanks, Daryl

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  • #34886

    Daryl Keyser
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Oaky Doak
    Engines: QSB 380 5.9
    Location: Boston MA
    Country: United States

    Turbo elbow

    Turbo

    #34879

    Daryl Keyser
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Oaky Doak
    Engines: QSB 380 5.9
    Location: Boston MA
    Country: United States

    Turbo

    I pulled the elbow this weekend and it looks as though the gasket was definitely failed. I ordered the graphite one you guys sell. One of my concerns is where the raw water exits those holes on the stainless steel elbow. It looks as though they spray directly against the edge wall of the bronze elbow. They were about a half inch apart when I pulled off the 6in hose. I’m assuming this must create some sort of a back spray. I was told there was some sort of an exhaust redesign on the 06 models of my boat. I wonder if this was one of the issues.

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    Tony Athens
    Moderator
    Vessel Name: Local Banks
    Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
    Location: Oxnard, CA
    Country: USA

    Daryl,

    A favor please……

    1) Send all of your pics direct to me in high res.. I need to sort them out as to their orientation and look closer.

    2) Can you stand back 1-3 feet, hold the camera “level to Mother Earth” and take a few more pics? Send me those too.

    From what I see you have multiple issues that need to be addressed. Exhaust leaks (soot) in the engine room and most likely, internal water leaking issues inside right a the turbo exhaust outlet .

    my email: [email protected]

    Tony

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    Rob Schepis
    Forum Moderator
    Vessel Name: Tenacious
    Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
    Location: Long Island, NY
    Country: USA

    That elbow is calling out for attention… You can see the clamps have been repositioned some time ago. I’d swap it out with a Centek FRP 90 which should also give the opportunity of cutting those hoses back a tad for some fresh material.

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    #34740

    Luke Nelson
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Southern Image
    Engines: QSC 8.3 540hp
    Location: Perth
    Country: Western Australia

    Is that a “plumbing “style copper elbow on the outlet piping? . I know it does not get pressure but it seems a bit thin side for something to take a lot of salt water?

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    #34712

    Daryl Keyser
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Oaky Doak
    Engines: QSB 380 5.9
    Location: Boston MA
    Country: United States

    Meridian port engine

    Pics

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    Daryl Keyser
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Oaky Doak
    Engines: QSB 380 5.9
    Location: Boston MA
    Country: United States

    Thanks Tom and Rob

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    Rob Schepis
    Forum Moderator
    Vessel Name: Tenacious
    Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
    Location: Long Island, NY
    Country: USA

    Like Tom requested, need overview pics showing the engines and exhaust in full. From what I can see you have a doomed wet riser that has or will fail internally giving your turbo gulps of seawater. A contributor to that rust can be the condensation because you have that hot dry intermediate section coming off the turbo that connects to the cold water fed jacketed section. The wrap will trap that moisture.

    https://www.sbmar.com/articles/marine-exhaust-risers-that-are-doomed-to-fail/

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    #34653

    Tom Bartolomei
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Doghouse - 48' Sabre Salon Express
    Engines: Twin QSC 8.3
    Location: Seattle
    Country: USA

    Likely reply here is to post more pictures further back allowing a better view of the entire setup along with a bit more history and nameplate of the engines that you have available. 2850 RPM at WOT is quite a bit short. I’m a previous owner of a vessel (2005 Sea Ray 390DA) that had QSB5.9 380’s for the power package. Re-propped twice to get it dialed into 3065 RPM at WOT, fully loaded vessel, and at about 93% engine load.

    You will definitely get the right guidance here but need to supply some additional information.

    Tom

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