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March 6, 2022 at 12:46 pm #128122
John KellyParticipantVessel Name: SeaNile
Engines: Boat Shopping
Location: Upper Chesapeake Bay
Country: USA
Engines are 2003 with 1400hrs hours. Lots of receipts going back to 2013.
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March 18, 2022 at 5:32 am #128924
John KellyParticipantVessel Name: SeaNile
Engines: Boat Shopping
Location: Upper Chesapeake Bay
Country: USA
10k for one engine?
March 18, 2022 at 4:08 am #128922Swapped manifold and turbo/cleaned coolers – 10K
This fall I proactively had a professional replace my exhaust manifold and turbo and clean all 4 coolers. The cost for that was roughly 10K with no surprises, clean coolers, no bolts needed it to be drilled out.
<br />I forget the exact numbers but the manifold and gaskets was roughly 2 K and the turbo 3-4K, the rest of the cost was labor.
March 18, 2022 at 3:49 am #128921
Steve LewisParticipantVessel Name: Just Us
Engines: Cummins 480CE
Location: Marblehead, OH
Country: USA
One man’s thoughts…….
JK,
If you do a little reading about QSM’s on this site you will find that the base engine is about as solid as you can get. The issues are the Exhaust Manifold and Turbo. They are not cooled. My advice has always been if you really like the boat and can make a deal on the purchase price to help offset the cost and tolerate the repairs then go ahead. Only you can answer the “Walk away” question.
Based on these last three pictures, this boat is a Sea Ray so I can guarantee that it has been over propped since it was built. You need to move the fuel burn at 1900 up to 2100 so you are looking at 2 or more inches of pitch to remove. That will get the fuel burn in check but you still have manifold and turbo work to do. For the manifolds there is a fair amount of labor since the aftercooler and heat exchanger need to come off in order to access it. Since they are off the engine you can have those serviced. And if that is a 50/52 Sundancer, one engine will be relatively easy access and the other will be a royal PITA….. translation is more labor on one engine because of the restricted access.
If the current leak is not too bad then you probably can prop down, limit your time on plane and just keep an overall eye on the amount of soot that gets deposited until you can get the parts and repairs. You can add a couple of steps to your daily engine checks. Use a white rag and wipe the soot off behind the aftercooler and if you see a big change in the amount of soot that gets deposited on the engine, then I would slow down to hull speed until you can get things replaced.
This is almost a 20year old boat and 9 years have passed since the major repairs you mentioned so there are going to be costs involved now. You have to answer the question for yourself. Can you tolerate the cost and time it will take for the repairs? I was in the same situation a year ago but different engines with different quirks. 480CE’s in a 2005 460 Sundancer. We had the entire cooling circuit serviced and did a couple of other things to the tune of $15K when we bought the boat Spring of 2021. We are having the cylinder heads done before we launch this Spring. That is going to be expensive as well. We also had the navigation electronics updated. That is complete and expensive. So All in we spent A LOT of money on this boat but we knew it going in and have tolerated a few delays with not too much angst. We were looking at the newer updated design of the 2006 – 2008 48 Sundancer. But those boats were much more money from a purchase perspective. We chose to buy the older less expensive version and fix it up and save ~half the difference in purchase price. That was a deliberate choice. So far, not too bad.
If you absolutely love the boat and must have it then you have some work to do. If you think that you can not tolerate the situation and the cost then move along to another boat.
March 17, 2022 at 9:42 pm #128916
John KellyParticipantVessel Name: SeaNile
Engines: Boat Shopping
Location: Upper Chesapeake Bay
Country: USA
Sea trial today, ran great but has issues. Fuel coolers, oil cooler, etc are all original. Do these need to be replaced?
One turbo, all the blades are chewed up and nicked, no holes in filter so who knows what happened.
Reached 2270 WOT with 1/2 fuel, no water and 4 adults.
2270= 31.5 gph
1930=20.7gph
2100= 25.5gph
One engine is showing signs of an exhaust manifold leak. I am thinking this boat has been over propped since 2003….not good.
Do I walk away? The engine guy said a very quick extremely loose estimate is over 20k to fix the issues.
Is it unreasonable to ask for absolutely everything mentioned to be addressed? Is 20k reality? Not to mention the timeline to get the needed parts.
Could this boat be repropped and used for this season for about 75hrs? This would give me time to find all the necessary parts for the repair.
March 6, 2022 at 1:13 pm #128131
Tony AthensModeratorVessel Name: Local Banks
Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
Location: Oxnard, CA
Country: USA
Nothing alarming.. But if me, I’d take off the SS raw water feed tubes to that aftercooler, clean all the “green stuff”, re-grease the o-rings ( or replace using plenty of grease) and go from there.. Be sure your propping meets my protocol if you want to get any life out of your dry manifolds. turbos..
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March 6, 2022 at 12:53 pm #128130
John KellyParticipantVessel Name: SeaNile
Engines: Boat Shopping
Location: Upper Chesapeake Bay
Country: USA
Back in 2013 a lot of repairs and maintenance was done on the engines and genset before the current owner purchased the boat and brought it from FL to his home port. Broker said, which makes complete sense to me, that the owner wanted absolutely anything and everything gone over and repaired before he brought the boat up the coast. <br /><br />Engines- exhaust manifolds port and starboard were noted to be leaking so everything was disassembled, cleaned, replaced, etc. New manifolds, new gaskets, new bolts, thermostats, expansion tanks, etc. (20k repair). Oil noted to be leaking from oil pan- both engines had new front cover and gaskets installed (28k repair). New raw water hoses installed, valves adjusted and a few other minor things like zincs replaced. <br /><br />Generator-remove and install new isolators, replace main bearing, belts, heat exchanger gaskets, valve adjustment (4200 bill)<br /><br />So with these items being addressed in 2013 and also the usual oil changes, impeller changes current will those major items listed above need to be done again or have all the QSM issues been resolved and I’m good to go? I haven’t confirmed the props, GPH or WOT info which is vital to these engines. Looks to me like the heat exchangers and after coolers need to be cleaned again but other than that the boat seems very well cared for with documentation of all the work done.
March 6, 2022 at 12:48 pm #128123
John KellyParticipantVessel Name: SeaNile
Engines: Boat Shopping
Location: Upper Chesapeake Bay
Country: USA
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