NMEA 2000 gateway to Diesel View

[John Rucker]

I want to say what a fantastic forum. It is so refreshing to find this!

I have a 2006 48 SeaRay Sundancer with twin cummins QSC 8.3 (ESN 46529161 and ESN 46529055). My Diesel view controller head is part number 4932604 and I have rev 5 Sims on both engines. All my Smart-Craft stuff (analog dashboard gauges, engine sync switch, etc. works just fine. However, my diesel view display is starting to fade and appears to be hading south as they seem to do. Last year I updated RADAR, Chart Plotters and AIS to twin RayMarine 12″ Axiom MFDs. This year the goal was to connect the engine data into the RayMarine Axiom system. So in talking to my local Mercury dealer here in down state Illinois they suggested I install the Mercury NMEA 2000 Gateway to convert the Diesel View engine and system view data to NMEA 2000.

Well after spending a ton of hours and several cables it isn’t working. The gateway fires up and all LEDs light as they should but the correct NMEA 2000 PGNs are not being sent across. My local guys say this should work as they have installed the gateways on other boats (turns out to be gas outdrive engines). They and I both are scratching our heads as to why this is not working. After reading through this site I would think if this gateway was a viable option someone would have posted it here. Since I haven’t found any information I’m wondering if my 2006 QSC 8.3 are too old to work with the gateway. Does anyone have experience with this gateway and my engines? What could I be doing wrong. My NMEA gateway is configured correctly I have a NMEA 2000 sniffer and can see the data that is being transmitted. So I don’t think it is an issue with wiring or configuration of the RayMarine MFDs.

At this point I’m thinking my best option is to upgrade the Diesel View to the Mercury VesselView 403. Will I be able to buy this from you guys? I will be happy to wait if you don’t have them in stock. Will my existing gauges (and engine sync switch) continue to work with the new VesselView 403 once I remove my Diesel View head unit? From my understanding I will not have to replace my existing wiring harness. Is this correct? Once I have the VesselView 403 installed will it send my engine telemetry over NMEA 2000 to my MFD?

Thanks for hosting this forum!

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[JW]

Gateway to plotter full conversion?

I have 2007 QSC 8.3s with Merc smartcraft displays. Will the gateway to plotter show all available information that the smartcraft displays show (including alarms)?

I read through this post and watch the video. All good info, I’m just looking for a little more detail on if a full replacement/conversion would work? If it’s a viable option I’d like to replace my smartcraft displays with plotters.

Thanks,

Jim

[Philip]

Thanks for the follow up. I would never have guessed you had a bad gateway. Glad you got it working.

Phil

[John Rucker]

Works!! Your Gateway did the trick!!

Corey Schmidt wrote:

John Rucker wrote:

Corey Schmidt wrote:

Yes the 8M0105243 is the correct part for your application and should work…

I just got a chance to stop by the boat yesterday and the part number of the gateway I have is 8MO151745 and it says it was manufactured 2/28/2019. In doing some searching I can’t find any information for my gateways part number. I wonder if that is because it is so new??

Is this the wrong gateway? Is this a new replacement for the gateway and it no longer supports my engines? Do I have a bad unit? arrgggg. I will keep digging, going to call my dealer this morning and see what they think. stay tuned….

Well it appears the part numbers are not matching? After looking a little closer it appears that the unit we sell on our website is P/N: 8M0065208. Not sure if that matches yours?

Try calling Mercury support and see if you can get some solid assistance.

Keep us in the loop….

Success! Everything is now working!! I ordered a second gateway from you guys. It is the exact gateway as the one I had but its manufacturing date was August of 2018. I plugged it in the exact same way I plugged in the gateway that didn’t work (manufactured February of 2019) and everything lit up. Engine RPM, tank information, oil pressure, coolant temperature, fuel flow.

Here is video of the Engine data from my QSC 8.3 on my 2006 SeaRay 48 Sundancer with Axiom 12″ Raymarine Chart Plotters. https://youtu.be/ireMtu3rJxQ

I guess I have a bad gateway or the newer gateways are no longer going to support the old Diesel View data. I will contact my local dealer and see if I can return his gateway as it didn’t work.

Thanks for all the help!!

[John Rucker]

Connection diagram

The attached PDF is how I’m connecting my gateway to the SmartCraft network. I have tried connecting it to each of the three open ports. I have also used a Y cable from my dealer that connected to each hub and then to the NMEA gateway. Noting works.

[John Rucker]

John Rucker wrote:

I want to recap on all the part numbers for the NEMA 2000 gateway that have been discussed:

My gateway’s part number is 8MO151745 (it lights up and appears to be okay but data is not transferred)

My dealer ordered part number 8m0151748 but he got instead the 8MO151745 neither the dealer or I noticed the part number difference until now.

@Corey Schmidt has suggested I use 8M0105243 or 8M0065208. I did some research on the web and both of those part numbers are superseded by 8m0151748 the number my dealer ordered.

I’m now thinking my dealer ordered the correct part number 8m0151748 but was shipped the wrong gateway. Hopefully my dealer will get this sorted out on Monday and I will report back.

Update. Just heard from my dealer and he said the 8MO151748 is the retail packaging number but the actual part number on the unit is 8MO151745 so the numbers just don’t match. I’m now wondering if the new gateway (the one I have that was manufactured in February 2019) is just no longer going to work with the older diesel view systems. I will give you guys a call this morning and see if you have an older version gateway in stock I can order.

[John Rucker]

chuck young wrote:

Thanks for the reply John. A little background with my experience/lack of with Smartcraft.

Regarding the Ray E 120, I thought that Seatalk 2 was compatable with NMEA 2000? Because I have a number of higher priority projects right now I would rather not upgrade the MFDs anytime soon. I’m also thinking about the possibilty of VV mobile w/blutooth using a dedicated pad at the helm.

If I could create a miracle, I would get a early VV as in those previous boats. I did look at an 04 SR 390 MY, also with 480 CEs, that had just that.

Yep Seatalk 2 supports it. If you get it working please share I’m sure others will be happy to see your results. Raymarine’s NMEA 2000 solution these days is Seatalk NG http://www.raymarine.com/view/?id=5536.

[chuck young]

Thanks for the reply John. A little background with my experience/lack of with Smartcraft.
I had a 2005 Sundancer with 8.1 Mercs that I upgraded in 2014 to Vessel View. Easy change. Next I had a 2006 40 Sundancer with QSB 5.9s. The previous owner upgraded to Vessel View. I think it originaly had Diesel View. I assume that because there was a Diesel View version 1 operations manual included in the bounty of documentation that came with the boat as well as the VV manual. So I thought the unit I have in the latest boat, the 05 390 SR MY, has a Diesel View. I have not taken delivery of this boat yet so I cant really confirm based upon memory and photos. However, downloading the Owners Manual for the boat today I see it depicts a System View unit.
Regarding the Ray E 120, I thought that Seatalk 2 was compatable with NMEA 2000? Because I have a number of higher priority projects right now I would rather not upgrade the MFDs anytime soon. I’m also thinking about the possibilty of VV mobile w/blutooth using a dedicated pad at the helm.
If I could create a miracle, I would get a early VV as in those previous boats. I did look at an 04 SR 390 MY, also with 480 CEs, that had just that.

[John Rucker]

chuck young wrote:

Hope its ok to jump in here. This topic is very timely for me. I also have Diesel View in an 05 Searay 390 MY with 480 CEs. The screen is poor. My previous boat had an early version color Vessel View that displayed very well with the exception of a gremlin now and then. I have a pair of Ray E-120 displays with the current boat. I just learned of the subject gateway option. Im assuming I wouldnt have to change out the sims for this as opposed to needing to do that for upgrading to a later VV.?? But Im not sure about displaying on the Ray E-120 using NMEA 2000. There is a connection on the E-120 for 0183 and another for Seatalk 2. Im not sure if Seatalk 2 is compatable with NMEA 2000.

Guidance would be appreciated.

Chuck couple things I can add as this is year two for my upgrade. I had the RayMarine E120 chart plotter and RADAR. My unit was old, came with the boat back in 2006. It supported Seatalk and NMEA 183 but not NMEA 2000. The gateway and everything we are talking about in this post is about taking the engine data from the SmartCraft network to NMEA 2000. So unless you have some way of reading the NMEA 2000 data with your chart plotter the gateway isn’t going to do you much good. I upgraded my SeaRay to two RayMarine 12″ Axiom displays last summer so I’m good to go on NMEA 2000.

There is an awesome post on this site https://www.sbmar.com/articles/which-cummins-smartcraft-display-do-i-have/ that talks about the difference between diesel view and system view. I have diesel view in my 2006 48 Sundancer.

PS I love my new RayMarine Axiom chart plotters. Once I get the engine data over so I can get the fuel burn information it is really going to be something!!

[John Rucker]

NMEA 2000 gateway part number Hell

I want to recap on all the part numbers for the NEMA 2000 gateway that have been discussed:

My gateway’s part number is 8MO151745 (it lights up and appears to be okay but data is not transferred)

My dealer ordered part number 8m0151748 but he got instead the 8MO151745 neither the dealer or I noticed the part number difference until now.

@Corey Schmidt has suggested I use 8M0105243 or 8M0065208. I did some research on the web and both of those part numbers are superseded by 8m0151748 the number my dealer ordered.

I’m now thinking my dealer ordered the correct part number 8m0151748 but was shipped the wrong gateway. Hopefully my dealer will get this sorted out on Monday and I will report back.

[John Rucker]

Corey Schmidt wrote:

Well it appears the part numbers are not matching? After looking a little closer it appears that the unit we sell on our website is P/N: 8M0065208. Not sure if that matches yours?

Try calling Mercury support and see if you can get some solid assistance.

No that does not match my part number. My gateway’s part number is 8MO151745 and it says it was manufactured 2/28/2019 (February this year) on the little white tag attached to the cable. My dealer said that is the part number that came up on his computer when he typed in 8M0105243. I think he is saying my gateway’s part number is the replacement part number. He was going to call on Friday and check and confirm that, but hasn’t got back to me yet. Do you have one of the 8M0065208 in stock? I’m thinking I should just order that and give it a go. I will also call the support number you gave me on Monday if my dealer doesn’t get back to me.

[chuck young]

Thanks Corey. Going to attempt to add a photo although its small.
It looks like your photo to me. Right now the boat is about 100 miles from me.
Would this still work with the gateway?

[Corey Schmidt]

chuck young wrote:

Hope its ok to jump in here. This topic is very timely for me. I also have Diesel View in an 05 Searay 390 MY with 480 CEs. The screen is poor. My previous boat had an early version color Vessel View that displayed very well with the exception of a gremlin now and then. I have a pair of Ray E-120 displays with the current boat. I just learned of the subject gateway option. Im assuming I wouldnt have to change out the sims for this as opposed to needing to do that for upgrading to a later VV.?? But Im not sure about displaying on the Ray E-120 using NMEA 2000. There is a connection on the E-120 for 0183 and another for Seatalk 2. Im not sure if Seatalk 2 is compatable with NMEA 2000.

Guidance would be appreciated.

Again, no reason that the gateway shouldn’t work on your boat although it would be unusual to have a DieselView on your SeaRay… can you port a picture? My bet is that it is a SystemViewunit and that you have whats called a PHASE 1 SmartCraft boat which is an entirely different beast.

[Corey Schmidt]

John Rucker wrote:

Corey Schmidt wrote:

Yes the 8M0105243 is the correct part for your application and should work…

I just got a chance to stop by the boat yesterday and the part number of the gateway I have is 8MO151745 and it says it was manufactured 2/28/2019. In doing some searching I can’t find any information for my gateways part number. I wonder if that is because it is so new??

Is this the wrong gateway? Is this a new replacement for the gateway and it no longer supports my engines? Do I have a bad unit? arrgggg. I will keep digging, going to call my dealer this morning and see what they think. stay tuned….

Well it appears the part numbers are not matching? After looking a little closer it appears that the unit we sell on our website is P/N: 8M0065208. Not sure if that matches yours?

Try calling Mercury support and see if you can get some solid assistance.

Keep us in the loop….

[chuck young]

Hope its ok to jump in here. This topic is very timely for me. I also have Diesel View in an 05 Searay 390 MY with 480 CEs. The screen is poor. My previous boat had an early version color Vessel View that displayed very well with the exception of a gremlin now and then. I have a pair of Ray E-120 displays with the current boat. I just learned of the subject gateway option. Im assuming I wouldnt have to change out the sims for this as opposed to needing to do that for upgrading to a later VV.?? But Im not sure about displaying on the Ray E-120 using NMEA 2000. There is a connection on the E-120 for 0183 and another for Seatalk 2. Im not sure if Seatalk 2 is compatable with NMEA 2000.
Guidance would be appreciated.

[John Rucker]

Corey Schmidt wrote:

Yes the 8M0105243 is the correct part for your application and should work…

I just got a chance to stop by the boat yesterday and the part number of the gateway I have is 8MO151745 and it says it was manufactured 2/28/2019. In doing some searching I can’t find any information for my gateways part number. I wonder if that is because it is so new??

Is this the wrong gateway? Is this a new replacement for the gateway and it no longer supports my engines? Do I have a bad unit? arrgggg. I will keep digging, going to call my dealer this morning and see what they think. stay tuned….

[Corey Schmidt]

Yes the 8M0105243 is the correct part for your application and should work… best bet is to get Mercury support on the line as lately they have been very good with support (thankfully):

Mercury Marine/Customer service
1 (920) 929-5040

[John Rucker]

Corey Schmidt wrote:

A few questions:

Where did the Mercury NMEA gateway come from? Did you purchase it from us? If so, I know the ones we sell work 100% and I have sold a lot of them.

We do sell the VV403 units but they WILL NOT drive your SC1000 gauges… only options are to keep the DieselView plugged in (but hidden) or to find yourself a VV7 unit. Although they’re currently obsolete, there’s still a few kits floating around the Internet.

Okay I’m going to stay focused on the NMEA gateway since you have them working. I bought it from a local Mercury Marine dealer here in downstate Illinois on the Mississippi River. They don’t have experience with the gateway they sold me when it comes to connecting it to the Cummins / Diesel View. They are a good bunch of guys and do great work but this configuration is new to them so I though I would do some digging on my own. I wonder if I have the correct gateway? What NMEA gateway do you guys recommend for my configuration? I have the Mercury NMEA 2000 gateway see this link: https://embed.widencdn.net/pdf/plus/mercurymarine/ccgc0nwmc9/8M0071193_SC_Gateway-0113_LR.pdf. I also included a pic below. The gateway appears to come in two versions. One for CAN P and one for CAN H. I have the CAN P version is that correct?

I also noticed the VesselView Link is a NMEA 2000 gateway maybe I need to go that route?? If I don’t have the right gateway I will be very happy to purchase it from you.

Thanks

[Corey Schmidt]

A few questions:

Where did the Mercury NMEA gateway come from? Did you purchase it from us? If so, I know the ones we sell work 100% and I have sold a lot of them.

We do sell the VV403 units but they WILL NOT drive your SC1000 gauges… only options are to keep the DieselView plugged in (but hidden) or to find yourself a VV7 unit. Although they’re currently obsolete, there’s still a few kits floating around the Internet.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercury-Vessel-View-7-Kit-8M0074095/143205284582?hash=item2157b33ae6:g:WkgAAOSwXeJXeGY7

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