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    Russ
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    Vessel Name: Intangible Asset
    Engines: 6BTA 5.9-M3 330's
    Location: Anacortes, WA
    Country: USA

    Hello Doug, I have the same pumps and somewhere along the line, I don’t remember where, I believe I heard 50 hours on the impellers was the “recommended” service interval to change them. That was after my first year with them and they had 200 hours at that point. That recommended interval might have been influenced by the impeller source wanting to move impellers? We have settled into more anchoring/less running and probably end up more around the low 100+ hours a season now and my protocol is to change them every spring after being laid up for the winter. They have enough hours to have served their purpose and be nearing the end of their “useful design life” and I know that with the very intermittent winter running they have “set” for long periods of time. They are a bit of a PITA to do, but I do them myself, the parts are not expensive, and I would rather do them on my time, comfortably in the slip, rather than lose an engine underway and be forced to do it under who knows what conditions. Do keep any eye on the weep slots, in 6 years I have had to replace a water seal on one of them, they will tell you when it is time by the green tarnish. If ignored and they leak past the oil seal you will likely see high sodium in the oil sample. And if you don’t already, it is a really good idea to carry spares, even if it is only the one(s) you took off last in a pinch.

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    #116115

    Russ
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    Engines: 6BTA 5.9-M3 330's
    Location: Anacortes, WA
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    Leon, my set up is obviously different than your, mine gives series of flashes, so no alpha-numeric code like A36, but my first thought would be you might be syphering the code incorrectly and that the geny is shutting down due to inadequate water flow and not fuel. I base this on the fact that doing anything more than about 4 – 5 knots and my geny can’t suck enough of the water rushing under the boat to keep pressure on the sensor so it and shuts down with a low of raw water flow error.

    #109075

    Russ
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    Engines: 6BTA 5.9-M3 330's
    Location: Anacortes, WA
    Country: USA

    Here is a pic of the installation. Got there to take it and realized the valve isn’t actually on the bottom of the heat exchanger, but on the bottom of the pipe below. Better – lower spot to drain more.

    #108775

    Russ
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    Engines: 6BTA 5.9-M3 330's
    Location: Anacortes, WA
    Country: USA

    The boat is about an hour away and pretty much laid up for winter, and I was just up 2 days ago for a check but I will add taking a pic to my todo list for the next check and get one. Probably some time in the next 2 weeks.

    As for draining time, I haven’t had to do it yet. The stbd heat exchanger developed a leak, the aft end piece was separating from the cylinder. I replaced it straight away summer of 2019 and got around to doing the port spring of 2020. I installed the valves during replacement but haven’t needed to drain either yet. Oh crap, now I’ve gone and done it…

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    #108723

    Russ
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    I did this, although I don’t remember all the dimensions, but here is what I did:

    I used a male/female threaded valve to screw male into the heat exchanger coolant drain hole. I installed it so the lever rests at the 9 o’clock position and has to be moved to the 12 o’clock position to open. I didn’t like the idea of 3 o’clock resting/6 o’clock open, as I was concerned about dropped tools, vibration/gravity, etc. and accidental draining if 6 o’clock was the open position. By using a female thread on the bottom I can screw the original plug back in for added safety.

    To drain, I remove the plug and screw in a barbed fitting, slide on the drain hose leading to the collection jug(s), open the valve and smile. No muss, no fuss.

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    #102471

    Russ
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    Glad I could help, but any credit/thanks goes to my mechanic. I have to say though, seeing the first pic and the pieces that fell out I personally would be concerned about how many of them ended up in which places downstream from the pump. Clogging the after cooler bundle, gear cooler core? Could be overkill but at the least I would pull the bottom zinc on the aftercooler and see what you might fish out. If I found anything I would consider take down of the fresh water side from the water pump to exhaust mixer. Great time to replace hoses/clamps and service the aftercoolers/heat xchgers if they are due and buy some peace of mind.

    #102323

    Russ
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    Hi Dan, I have had an experience which is probably relevant, which would lead me to believe it is entirely possible. I sea trailed a 2006 490 Meridian in 2015 with 450 hours on the 5.9 6bta 330’s and the port came back with 650 ppm sodium and 107 ppm iron. The bearings in the port water pump had failed and my mechanic’s experience told him it was most likely sea water traversing the shaft/internal pump to the front of the pump and dripping into the pan. This one was so bad the gear on the front of the pump had misaligned enough to burn a mark inside the front cover.

    New pumps, oil/filter change done, and after 10+ hours of running a new sample was done. Sodium dropped to 57 ppm and iron to 13 and crank case pressure found to be within spec, so no ring/cylinder damage. Neglected but not hurt, so I closed.

    Next oil/filter change/sample was at 81 ppm sodium and 30 ppm iron, but was also with 76 hours of run time. He expected this due to the previous high level and the block continuing to “leach” accumulated sodium.

    By three oil/filter changes/sample pulls later, all at about 75-85 hours on each, sodium is down to <5 ppm, iron in the mid 20’s, and has stayed there over the next 5 changes since then.

    Hope this is the same for you and gives some potential peace of mind.

    #97119

    Russ
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    Tony, sorry for the delay, had to go to the boat and get pics. They are hopefully self-explanatory but let me know if you want any more info. BTW, had a buddy with a very nice set up drill and tap the strainer lids, some piece of equipment that measures in 10,000th of an inch. WAY beyond my wheel house. Otherwise nothing special needed. The mains T is visible upper left of the mains pic and also in the STBD pic. The S bends enable removal of the strainer lid and for it to flop out of way without having to disco anything.

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    #96925

    Russ
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    Engines: 6BTA 5.9-M3 330's
    Location: Anacortes, WA
    Country: USA

    I started in the lazarette with an inexpensive plastic quick disconnect that has a shut off on both sides and is easy to access. From there I routed hose, clamped to the bottom of the cockpit sole out of the way, to a T near the geny then on to a T between the sea strainers. I tapped all 3 strainer caps and installed ball valves. Each outing when we return to the dock I put 1 side of the disconnect on the dock hose, turn it on, connect it and open both quick connect valves (after insuring the ball valves are all closed).

    I can then open 2 of the strainer ball valves, shut one thru hull and start that side. Puts nothing but fresh water to the running engine and gives pressure relief out the other strainer even when I shut it down. I run the mains for 5 minutes and the geny for 3. Probably overkill but after 3+ years and 650 hours I serviced the aftercoolers (purchased new, pre-serviced, from Seaboard when I bought the boat) and there was minimal build up on bottom of a couple of the tubes in the bundles which slid right out. This is despite the not having installed the flush system until 2 years in with 470 of the 650 hours on them.

    Bonus: It insures I do a post cruise check every time, with 5 minutes per engine to crawl around and exam things. And when I do pull zincs (which last way longer) to check them you can barely detect a brackishness to the water sitting in the after cooler. I am definitely glad I spent the time and took the effort to install this!

    Thx Tony and crew for all the great tips and tricks you share with us!

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    #66791

    Russ
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    Ah, very good point on the “stored energy” issue. How about if I fill the water side nearly to full with water first, then air pressurize to 15 psi and see if it holds overnight…, would that be a thorough test?

    #65241

    Russ
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    Rob, it is my plan to leave the hoses attached to my aftercoolers when I remove them, plug the hose ends with pvc caps/plugs, clamp those down, replace one zinc with a fitting this is fitted with air inlet valve and a pressure gauge, pressurize to 25 psi and leave overnight. If the pressure holds overnight I would be able to conclude the core must be sound. I was then going to service, reassemble and repeat the test with a positive outcome confirming the reassembly was sound. At that point I would install and go. If either test fails I will of course need to do further work, but if the water side holds 25 psi before and after, wouldn’t it be safe to conclude it is going to hold water, and also not further field test for misting with the airhorn off once it is mounted back on the engine? 6BTA 330’s btw.

    #37184

    Russ
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    Location: Anacortes, WA
    Country: USA

    I have installed a fresh water flush on my 6BTA 330’s. I ran hose with quick disconnects and shut offs from the port aft laz corner secured along the bottom of the cockpit sole to the geny sea strainer and then on to each engine sea strainer with shut off valves tapped into the top of each sea strainer. When I get back to the dock I connect dock water (which has great flow/pressure), open the inlet value and outlet valve on either side of the quick disconnect. Then, one at a time, with the sea cock still open, I open the inlet to the sea strainer and let if flush the salt water as much as it can while I start the engine and let it run for 5 minutes. Shut down, shut the inlet valve, repeat for next engine and then a geny but a little less time. I have pulled the bottom aftercooler zinc and while the water is not “fresh” it is only slightly salty and the zincs are lasting much longer (as well as other internal parts I imagine) from not sitting in salt water all week or longer between uses. It also has the added bonus of making sure after each outing I spend 5 minutes crawling around and examining each engine while it runs during the flushing. Already found/fixed things I would have missed for some time otherwise I expect…

    #33286

    Russ
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    Rob, sorry, I am confused? Are you saying that because the pipe thread sealant is displaced it shows it doesn’t get in the way? It sounds like you are saying the opposite by saying the pics make it clear to those who doubt that it does get in the way. If it is displaced and not on the threads except at the very top, and mostly “displaced” out of the thread area, doesn’t that mean it does not interfere with contact?

    #28416

    Russ
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    Tony, I am going to add a flushing system to my engines and plan on doing it via introducing the water thru an installed fitting in the sea strainer cap and have wondered about the need to close the thru hulls once the dock water is on and the engine running if I flush one at a time?

    Assuming the fittings and fresh water supply hose continue to carry adequate volume (which they should based on the amount I get just washing her down after an outing) my reasoning is that 1) the fresh water flow at our dock seems to greatly exceed the volume of water coming out the exhaust when we have flushed the engines as part of winterization/storage on the hard, 2) the snorkel on the bottom during that process never stops spraying out the sides despite a good seat so the flow out the exhaust wouldn’t seem to be low due to lack of water from the yard supply – which is less than the flow at the dock supply, 3) the lighter fresh water will displace the salt water in the strainer before the start up and continue to displace during the flushing time after engine start due to the sheer volume so the flushing water should remain all fresh water. So in short, if the incoming supply of fresh water exceeds the engines demand wouldn’t it continue to also “flush” the sea strainer intake hose also and therefore only supply only fresh water to the engine?

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