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    Robert Vetrano
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    Vessel Name: Knot Flying
    Engines: qsb 5.9
    Location: Merritt Island FL
    Country: USA

    I’ve sent Tony Athens these same pictures for review, but wanted to get a thread going with my progress for all to see. Twin QSBs. ACs have been serviced 1x by a previous owner (there were 4). I don’t believe they removed the AC and bench serviced.

    I’ve only done my stbd AC at the moment. Slight green corrosion on both caps. No performance issues pointing me to any problems. Caps came off easily as expected. Top zinc was mostly intact with what looked like a lot of buildup around it. Bottom zinc was a nub that had broken off, and looked ineffective. I wouldn’t say I was thrilled at what I initially saw condition-wise, but I’d seen worse on this forum and others. They cleaned up great after an hour soak in HCL to water 10:1.

    Bundle came out rather easily, about 5 “taps” with a 2×4 and a small sledge hammer. There was no noticeable buildup in the tubes, but I rodded our each one w a 3/16 rod. Then filled the tubes w 10:1 HCL/water and let em boil. I thought the weight of the bundle would be enough to set it on top of a rubber gasket; and keep the mixture in the tubes…..it was not. Careful to keep the HCL mix away from the air side I just ran the mixture through the tubes till they were reasonably clean. They were then put in my homemade test rig, and held 25psi overnight. Note the “brass termites” on the ring of the bundle……Tony indicates this due to cheaper alloys being used the last 10years, is ok and liberally apply grease and reassemble.

    Housings were in ok shape. The black coating on the interior was corroding, as I kind of expected. Sanded that and will grease. The top and bottom mating surfaces looked ok. I block sanded them clean. The top turned out great. But the bottom has some weird ring around the surface that was pitted, and had a slight depth to it. Tony has indicated this looks average and to continue w the protocol w liberal grease.

    I’m out of town, but the next step is to reassemble and pressure test the entire assembly. I’ll update pics when I do that.

    I also did my stbd fuel cooler and gear cooler……they turned out great after sitting for an hour with the tubes full of HCL.

    Upon install I plan on a freshwater flush setup to prolong this job.

    Thanks Tony!

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  • #68620

    Charles Burton
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    HCL vs H3PO4

    I do not disagree – I think HCL is very appropriate for you and less costly. But for some of us working on the docks, H3PO4 is a good alternative.

    #68614

    Tony Athens
    Moderator
    Vessel Name: Local Banks
    Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
    Location: Oxnard, CA
    Country: USA

    10:1 HCL (common pool acid) & water for Scale Removal

    So, is there a final answer?

    Does 10:1 = 9+1, or does it = 10+1 ???

    As to vs. HCL, vs. Phosphoric, I’d bet Rydlyme could argue that better than me.. I just look at availability and ease to get (we use an easy 10+ gallons a year, non-diluted, along with a 50 lb bag on soda ash ), and how it works/deal with.

    Maybe , Bill Fuller, “AUDUX”, will chime in….He could put some real science in to this discussion…That’s what he does for a living to satisfy his fishing/boating habit………

    Tony

    #68610

    Rob Schepis
    Forum Moderator
    Vessel Name: Tenacious
    Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
    Location: Long Island, NY
    Country: USA

    HCL in Rydlyme

    Charles,

    Rydlyme’s active ingredient is HCL which I believe is/was the basis of Tony’s reference to marketed products.

    #68608

    Charles Burton
    Participant

    HCL vs Barnacle Buster

    Just want to say that Muriatic acid (Hydrochloric acid HCL) and Barnacle Buster (Phosphoric Acid H3PO4) are not the same – phosphoric acid is milder, much safer, and less toxic than hydrochloric acid. Both clean copper, brass, and bronze quite well, especially cleaning the calcium deposits that clog our heat exchangers but the milder phosphoric acid is much less likely to damage the exchangers. Phosphoric acid is more expensive – about $30/gal at home depot and some hardware stores.

    #68583

    Robert Vetrano
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Knot Flying
    Engines: qsb 5.9
    Location: Merritt Island FL
    Country: USA

    Ohhhh I like the chart! Saved!

    #68571

    Rob Schepis
    Forum Moderator
    Vessel Name: Tenacious
    Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
    Location: Long Island, NY
    Country: USA

    Dilution Ratio

    Both methods are correct in their respective settings and not critical for us grease monkeys. I’ve always thought of it in the ratio form, not in the form of a factor. Sometimes a chart is handy….

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    #68570

    bluebyu
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    Location: East Coast
    Country: USA

    Just a reminder about the acid and water, Wear safety gear, rubber gloves and eye protection.

    When mixing the 10:1, ADD acid to the water, NOT the other way.

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    #68563

    Tony Athens
    Moderator
    Vessel Name: Local Banks
    Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
    Location: Oxnard, CA
    Country: USA

    10+1 would have also started bubbling immediately too! Does it matter———NO..

    Ya done GOOD!..

    Tony

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    #68561

    Robert Vetrano
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    Vessel Name: Knot Flying
    Engines: qsb 5.9
    Location: Merritt Island FL
    Country: USA

    Truthfully, definitely not a chemist…. I googled it too, haha! I found both descriptions. And then realized I was probably overthinking it, as I do often, and just went with 9+1, thinking it wouldn’t really matter for the purpose at hand. I knew I musta done something right when things started bubbling upon immersion. My post shoulda said “technically, I think”. lol.

    #68559

    Tony Athens
    Moderator
    Vessel Name: Local Banks
    Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
    Location: Oxnard, CA
    Country: USA

    Robert,

    I would tent to not agree with your take on ratios, as from my “non-technical side”, but more from the side of common understanding of the terms used in a “one of one” explanations to what is being talked about. Is “common conversations” and better way to describe this?
    ……….

    100%, your answer is right in many discussions, but if you were to “snoop around” on GOOGLE, I think you will find 10:1 = 10+1 as much or more than it means 9+1 =10…………Most of us are not Chemists by profession..

    Does it matter? Absolutely not in this case..

    All is good!……..

    Tony……………

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    #68549

    Robert Vetrano
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    Vessel Name: Knot Flying
    Engines: qsb 5.9
    Location: Merritt Island FL
    Country: USA

    10:1 is technically 1 part HCL and 9 parts water, for a total of 10. Mine was a pool store gallon for $4. Careful mixing……stuff is strong straight out of the bottle.

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    #68544

    FERNANDO DACOSTA
    Participant
    Vessel Name: FELIZ DREAM
    Engines: Cummins 6cta 8.3 (46086149) & (46086200)
    Location: 13798 NW 20th ST, Pembroke Pines, FL, 33028
    Country: USA

    Is HCL pool acid Muriatic ?
    So will be 10 parts of water and one of Acid muriatic ?

    #68486

    Robert Vetrano
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Knot Flying
    Engines: qsb 5.9
    Location: Merritt Island FL
    Country: USA

    Roger that. I’ll be home on Wednesday and it’ll be going back together. Good advice!

    On that thought……I’m also wondering what the ring around the bottom of the housing, on the mating surface, is from? Looks like it’s right where the o-ring sits. I’ll have a better idea when I reassemble if that’s the case. Related?

    #68478

    Rob Schepis
    Forum Moderator
    Vessel Name: Tenacious
    Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
    Location: Long Island, NY
    Country: USA

    Robert,

    Thanks for taking the time to photo everything and put together this thread.

    I’d like to see a picture of the core reinserted into the housing and re-take your second photo or something similar (with and without the o-ring) so we can all see exactly where the termite damage is vs. where the o-ring sits. Make sense?

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    #68474

    Robert Vetrano
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Knot Flying
    Engines: qsb 5.9
    Location: Merritt Island FL
    Country: USA

    That’s no joke. $4 for a gallon of pool acid vs a gallon of Barnacle Buster at $68 a gallon on Amazon. Jeez!!!!!!!

    #68470

    Tony Athens
    Moderator
    Vessel Name: Local Banks
    Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
    Location: Oxnard, CA
    Country: USA

    10:1 HCL (common pool acid) & water for Scale Removal

    It does work great and it’s dirt cheap compared to the the heavily marketed products that use the same base HCL but add buffers, color, perfume and fancy packaging.. Just read their MSDS.

    Tiny

    #68450

    Robert Vetrano
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    Vessel Name: Knot Flying
    Engines: qsb 5.9
    Location: Merritt Island FL
    Country: USA

    Yessir. I’ll edit as not to confuse anyone. Works great!!!!! Thanks!

    Edit: apparently I can’t find an edit button for the original post. All references to HCL are Tonys cocktail of 10:1 Water to HCL.

    #68446

    Tony Athens
    Moderator
    Vessel Name: Local Banks
    Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
    Location: Oxnard, CA
    Country: USA

    Scale cleaning with HCL/pool acid

    HCL mix = 10:1 with water, right?

    Tony

    #68417

    Robert Vetrano
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Knot Flying
    Engines: qsb 5.9
    Location: Merritt Island FL
    Country: USA

    More pics

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