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October 17, 2017 at 5:14 am #23992
Rob SchepisForum ModeratorVessel Name: Tenacious
Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
Location: Long Island, NY
Country: USA
This time of year the Wolverines pan heaters are especially appreciated:
This mornings “conditions”:
Salon – 49 deg F and 72% humidity
Engine Room – 66 deg F and 43% humidity
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November 23, 2018 at 3:58 am #43141
I wish I could find space on the Side of a QSM
I will look again but as you know the dry QSM has a lot of “stuff” on either side. I am having the fuel cooler removed this winter for service and maybe with that out we can squeeze a Wolverine in behind it?
November 22, 2018 at 5:52 pm #43124
Tony AthensModeratorVessel Name: Local Banks
Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
Location: Oxnard, CA
Country: USA
Install a new on on the side.. 90+% as efficient.
100% full contact is the key as the Oil Pan is the “heat sink” — without 100% full contact (no air spaces, meaning ZERO), you will burn it up..
Tony
November 22, 2018 at 8:15 am #43081Burned out after 2 years, grr
I went to turn mine on yesterday and found it non functional 2 years in. As mine is under a QSM11 tucked 1” above the deep curve of my downeast bilge, there is no way to replace it.
November 22, 2018 at 5:54 am #43071
Rob SchepisForum ModeratorVessel Name: Tenacious
Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
Location: Long Island, NY
Country: USA
I’ve heard some state that the Wolverines keep the engine warm but do nothing for the “engine room environment”.
Boat’s still in the water and it’s about 20 deg F right now.
This mornings “conditions”:
Engine Room – 45 deg F and 37% humidity
Salon – 29 deg F and 67% humidity
Head – 29 deg F and 70% humidityClearly the data proves otherwise….
December 15, 2017 at 5:41 am #26275
Rob SchepisForum ModeratorVessel Name: Tenacious
Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
Location: Long Island, NY
Country: USA
Brrrrrrr..
I know you guys further up north are always colder than the tri-state area but this is friggin cold figuring it’s still autumn! And two snow events already and more forecasted for later today…
As can be seen in the opening post on this thread (and some prior posts of mine) I used to check on the conditions via a wifi camera that would look at a weather station that had an engine room remote sensor. In October I added a SmartThings Hub so now I use multi-sensors which provide temp & humidity data, among other things..
The boat is shrinkwrapped and the bridge enclosure is in place. One sensor is at the helm on the bridge, one is sitting on the counter in the salon and one is in the engine room sitting mid height in the center area between the engines.
Here’s this morning’s frigid snapshot. The Wolverine’s have the engine room 20 degrees warmer and almost 40 humidity points drier. The engines are under the salon so some of these engine room warming helps keep the salon conditions a tad more favorable as well.
Quite nice from only 250W per engine.
November 2, 2017 at 7:32 pm #24586
Bill DesmaraisModeratorVessel Name: Extremist
Engines: Cummins 6BTA 370
Location: Portsmouth, NH
Country: United States
I installed the 6B Wolverine oil pan heater on my new ReCon 370 before installing in the lobster boat.
I changed the oil and filter a couple of months back on a 75 degree day.
I did NOT warm the engine before the oil change.
I pump the oil out using a Water Puppy pump attached to a drain line at the back of the oil pan.
The oil I pumped out (13 qts) was hot enough to slightly burn you.
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November 2, 2017 at 4:55 pm #24581
Tony AthensModeratorVessel Name: Local Banks
Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
Location: Oxnard, CA
Country: USA
Just an IMO.. Let’s say your engine blocks are at 45F-55F.. It will take more than a couple of hours to do anything meaningful at 1250 Watts as to warming the oil (BTW, which I believe is the most important component of the BLOCK heating system idea).. If the temps are even lower, then figure 6-8 hours .. Heat need to transfer and “even out” for lack of a better way to describe that part on the equation, plus you loose all of the other benefits what that “soft” heat does for the rest of the engine room..
Tony
November 2, 2017 at 4:23 pm #24580Thanks for the reply Rob!
Since I already have the block heater (1000-1500 watt), I will use that during the boating season for a couple of hours to quickly warm up the engine prior to start when at dock, and use the Wolverine (after I get one) all winter long especially during lay up.
Hopefully the removal will never be required during my remaining time as the boat owner.
Thanks again,
TomNovember 2, 2017 at 3:29 am #24543
Rob SchepisForum ModeratorVessel Name: Tenacious
Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
Location: Long Island, NY
Country: USA
Hello Tom.
For sure, as Tony pointed out, it’s clear that the pan heaters at 250W continuous (vs 1,000-1,500W) are much less demanding electrically which adds safety to the systems and allows piece of mind for a 24/7 solution to a warm dry engine and easy cold starts. Tuesday night was a “frost” night here and when I checked on the conditions yesterday morning the engine room (when compared to the salon) was almost 20 degrees warmer (62 deg vs 45 deg) and 30 humidity points dryer (43% vs 72%) …. The engine is always warm AND the oil is always hot which is a major improvement on ease of cold starts and reducing/eliminating white smoke. Can also be effective for an oil change where the engine is not able to be run up to operating temperature beforehand.
I was doing some mid-winter maintenance one off-season and started each engine. It was below freezing that day and the both engines fired as normal.
As to removal – haven’t done one yet, maybe Tony has.. A combination of: Chisel/scraper with a good edge, wire brush/wheel and solvent…??
November 1, 2017 at 8:49 pm #24540Tony,
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I value your training, experience, and opinions, especially when I understand why you have that particular opinion.
Thanks again,
TomNovember 1, 2017 at 6:02 pm #24539
Tony AthensModeratorVessel Name: Local Banks
Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
Location: Oxnard, CA
Country: USA
Block Heater Thoughts
There is a major advantage to using very low wattage heaters that need to operate at much longer duty cycles vs. a typical Cummins or KIM Hotstart types supplied block heater that uses a thermostat or timer to control heat……………….It’s the overall safety of the system in a moist salt laden air environment..
All heaters are resistance devices and turning on and off using a typical 1000-1500 W heater creates high electrical surges (2-3X) at the plug connections you find in your boat or at the dock connection.. All you have to do is feel the heat at the plug after a day or so,, Then as time going on, it just gets worse as the resistance increases at that connection.. Building resistance is a fact of life with every electrical connection in a typical marine vessel and the higher current flow thru that connection, just increases that resistance………….. Kinda a vicious circle.
Now, use a low wattage heater that can transfer that heat slowly by CONDUCTION thru the heat sinking abilities of the oil pan/engine mass, sized in the 250W per 2000 lbs of cast iron range, and even though the heater may need to operate at between 50 & 100% of the time, long term use in this nasty marine environment has proven to me over the past 20 years that this is a much safer way to go…………Maybe 15 years ago I tried to use 240V 1500W coolant block heaters at lo to accomplish this by running them on 120V and it worked very good, but in the end, that was just too complex and expensive……….I switched over to low wattage oil pan heaters that stay on most of the time and I’ll never look back.. Too simple, 100% long tern safe, and way cheaper..
In the end what you are trying to accomplish is to keep the engine mass 20-40 degrees F above ambient air temp outside the engine room.. How you accomplish that is your call, but well over 25 years of doing this has taught me much– I prefer the slow, much safer, much simpler, and low wattage or “Softer Way” to accomplish that.
Tony
November 1, 2017 at 8:06 am #24519Hi Rob,
What are the advantages of the Wolverine vs just a block heater (maybe on a timer to run 4 hours off 4)?
Can it be removed easily if required (eg. for replacement)?
Thanks,
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