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  • #25456

    Mike Pettee
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Cop-Out
    Engines: Cummins 370s
    Location: Big Pine Key, FL
    Country: USA

    Hi all. Boat survived Irma with some dock rash, somehow. House is a different story.

    First trip today, and first time shes moved and ran in about 3 months. Dodged downed trees, fences and trailers in the canal but made it out.

    Sluggish getting on plane, but ran out fine otherwise. Accredited this sluggishness to sitting three months and needing filter changes. Coming back however the starboard motor started smoking. Dark smoke, and would not top 2900 rpm. Normal wot is 3150. In neutral, no smoke at all.

    I read the low power/dark smoke article, but could not understand how that applies to only having smoke under load. Because ita only when under load, it leaves me to believe its an external to the engine issue?

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  • #26403

    Mike Pettee
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Cop-Out
    Engines: Cummins 370s
    Location: Big Pine Key, FL
    Country: USA

    And winner. With a new clamp on that hose, no smoke.

    Thanks all for your help!

    #26381

    Mike Pettee
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Cop-Out
    Engines: Cummins 370s
    Location: Big Pine Key, FL
    Country: USA

    Engine room ventilation all clear?

    Yes. No blockage on the vents.

    How safe is your exhaust? Ever pulled the elbows/risers and inspected the turbos?

    I have not from the exhaust side, only air side. They appear in good shape.

    How many hours on the turbos?

    322 hrs.

    Do you have a boost gauge?

    Yes. Boost on both has not changed.

    How is the air cleaner ā€“ clean and in good physical condition?

    Could be cleaner, but physically in good shape.

    Have you checked the air hoses going to the turbo for any signs of damage, cracking, loose clamps, etc?

    We may have a winner. Hoses appear fine, but i found a busted clamp and the hose loose on the top air side of the aftercooler. Replaced it and time dependant will run tomorrow and update.

    #26355

    Rob Schepis
    Forum Moderator
    Vessel Name: Tenacious
    Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
    Location: Long Island, NY
    Country: USA

    If you are seeing any black smoke it is not a fuel supply issue, it’s either loading (too much prop, damaged prop, dirty bottom & running gear, etc) or an air supply issue.

    Seems as if you’ve already addressed the loading items.

    Engine room ventilation all clear?

    How safe is your exhaust? Ever pulled the elbows/risers and inspected the turbos?

    How many hours on the turbos?

    Do you have a boost gauge?

    How is the air cleaner – clean and in good physical condition?

    Have you checked the air hoses going to the turbo for any signs of damage, cracking, loose clamps, etc?

    #26333

    Mike Pettee
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Cop-Out
    Engines: Cummins 370s
    Location: Big Pine Key, FL
    Country: USA

    Filters were new in March. Not sure how else to verify its flowing smooth, or what is needed to ensure its right. Aftercoolerz are 18 months old, and freshwater flushed each use. If there is obstruction, it must be from filter to cooler, or cooler in.

    Assuming the next run still smokes a bit, what would next step be?

    Started per Tonys instructions of cleaning bottom and gear, and want to do a couple runs before moving into the engine.

    #26320

    Rob Schepis
    Forum Moderator
    Vessel Name: Tenacious
    Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
    Location: Long Island, NY
    Country: USA

    Aftercooler air side maintenance up to snuff?

    #26317

    Mike Pettee
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Cop-Out
    Engines: Cummins 370s
    Location: Big Pine Key, FL
    Country: USA

    It is new.

    #26316

    Rob Schepis
    Forum Moderator
    Vessel Name: Tenacious
    Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
    Location: Long Island, NY
    Country: USA

    Is this new?……. Is what you are seeing not always been there?

    #26315

    Mike Pettee
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Cop-Out
    Engines: Cummins 370s
    Location: Big Pine Key, FL
    Country: USA

    Tony,

    The remaining minor moke, if it does not go away after a few more runs, but does not increaae, is it something to be concerned with?

    #26314

    Tony Athens
    Moderator
    Vessel Name: Local Banks
    Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
    Location: Oxnard, CA
    Country: USA

    Moral of the story = a clean bottom & running gear..

    Just polishing a pair of props can add 25-50+ RPM on a planing boat..

    Tony

    #26304

    Mike Pettee
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Cop-Out
    Engines: Cummins 370s
    Location: Big Pine Key, FL
    Country: USA

    Follow up number 1.

    Had a diver dive the hull. Cleaned it up good and cleaned all running gear.

    After first run, Significantly less smoke. Almost not noticeable unless looking for it, but slight black smoke. Not enough to billow, almost seems so slight it stays in exhaust water, if that makes sense. I attached a video.

    Performance back to normal. Both engines spun to 3100+. Will post additional after next run.

    #25509

    Mike Pettee
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Cop-Out
    Engines: Cummins 370s
    Location: Big Pine Key, FL
    Country: USA

    wind direction. Wave action. Not paying attention making sure i was avoiding debris, looking at damage etc. Coukd easily have been smoking.

    Either way, i have a diver doing hull and running gear next week. Will start there and hope it solves the issue.

    #25481

    Rob Schepis
    Forum Moderator
    Vessel Name: Tenacious
    Engines: 6BTA 5.9 330's - "Seaboard Style"
    Location: Long Island, NY
    Country: USA

    …..Specifically only on the return trip?

    Could the “one way” smoke issuie be contributed to the wind direction? – maybe it was there both ways but only made visible in the one direction? Just a thought…..

    #25480

    Mike Pettee
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Cop-Out
    Engines: Cummins 370s
    Location: Big Pine Key, FL
    Country: USA

    Thanks Tony. I will have someone dive and get her cleaned up. Will follow up after.

    #25479

    Tony Athens
    Moderator
    Vessel Name: Local Banks
    Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
    Location: Oxnard, CA
    Country: USA

    Start with getting your bottom and running gear “BABY BUTT SMOOTH & CLEAN”.. The , we’ll go from there AFTER a trip or two..

    With the bottom condition doing what it is doing to your engines and vessel performance, YOUR ENGINES are now in a very over loaded condition–That equals BLACK SMOKE

    Tony

    #25472

    Mike Pettee
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Cop-Out
    Engines: Cummins 370s
    Location: Big Pine Key, FL
    Country: USA

    Was slower in that rpm range yes, maybe 1.5kt slower. I figured it was dirty, but did not think that would cause the dark smoke low rpm issue. Specifically only on the return trip?

    #25461

    Tony Athens
    Moderator
    Vessel Name: Local Banks
    Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
    Location: Oxnard, CA
    Country: USA

    How about 3+ months of bottom growth? That would certainly be external to an engine issue and would explain all.

    Did you happen to notice if the vessel was slower at say, 2400-2600 RPM than it was before IRMA? If so, then that would also explain something external to the engine.

    Tony

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