Cummins Marine Diesel Repower Specialists Forums Instrumentation & Electronics Network problem two engine display on Raymarine

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  • #75563

    Wayne Spalding
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    Vessel Name: Nomad
    Location: Gold Coast
    Country: Australia

    I’m trying to network my two recently installed QSB5.9 version one SIM engines to my Raymarine MFD’s. (serial numbers 60294916 & 60295589)

    I have connected the individual VesselView 4’s to the raymarine backbone via device net cables. The engines are not linked.

    Only one engine at a time is showing up on the network.
    The MUS settings are set for stbd master and port slave.
    VV4’s are port and stbd and different identities ( locations) set. Both show up on the device list on the Raymarine. Port VV4 CAN address is 0, stbd VV4 is 1.

    The problem appears to be the Smartcraft Gateways. Only one at a time is appearing ( the first one connected). The Gateways are both showing a CAN address of 8. I believe this to be the problem.

    Is there a way to change the CAN address of the Smartcraft Gateways?

    Perhaps an option would be to link the 2 engine junction boxes with Cummins jumper kit
    PN EA9080-02 and then just link one VV4 to the Raymarine Network.

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  • #77774

    Wayne Spalding
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Nomad
    Location: Gold Coast
    Country: Australia

    Problem fixed

    Installed a Cummins jumper cable for from Seaboard Marine. ( great price!)

    MUS jumpers, Port to slave and Stbd to master.

    Disconnected one VV4 from Raymarine, leaving the other connected to the backbone.

    Now both engines talking to each other, and only one VV4 communicating with Raymarine, but transmitting both sets of data.

    Problem was the 2 smartcraft Gateways were competing. Unable to change their addresses without joining the engines, then no need as you only require one gateway.

    Seems simple now

    #75731

    Corey Schmidt
    Forum Moderator
    Vessel Name: Rebel Belle
    Engines: Cummins
    Location: Oxnard, CA
    Country: USA

    Call Mercury on their hotline and see if there is a way to separate the instances via the software?

    1 (920) 929-5040

    #75726

    Wayne Spalding
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Nomad
    Location: Gold Coast
    Country: Australia

    The last two

    #75715

    Wayne Spalding
    Participant
    Vessel Name: Nomad
    Location: Gold Coast
    Country: Australia

    Ok, I’ll try returning the port engine to master.
    Here are a couple of screen shots ( in order) better explaining the data issue.

    You can see there is no conflict in the addresses of the VV4’s ( 0 & 1)

    Oddly, the integral Smartcraft Gateways only show up one st a time, both with the same address as 8

    #75675

    Corey Schmidt
    Forum Moderator
    Vessel Name: Rebel Belle
    Engines: Cummins
    Location: Oxnard, CA
    Country: USA

    Based on the termination of your j-boxes… both engines should be setup as MASTER engines since they are not connected there.

    Everything you do from this point will be software related… not physical.

    #75597

    Wayne Spalding
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    Vessel Name: Nomad
    Location: Gold Coast
    Country: Australia

    Hi Corey, thanks for taking the time to respond, I appreciate your thoughts.

    The Raymarine displays the first connected VV4, regardless of master/slave. I think this indicates an instance conflict?

    1) I changed from 2 masters to slave and master as a troubleshooting step. The engines do see each other, through the Raymarine network. I can select the VesselView displays to show both engines, even though there is no connection between the engine harnesses. The ONLY thing they have in common is they are both connected to to the Raymarine backbone via a single DeviceNet cable from the Nmea2000 plug on the back of each VesselView display.

    2) I do not have separate Smartcraft Gateways, just the VV4,s. I describe the Smartcraft Gateways because they show up on the list of connected devices on the Raymarine MFD.
    Typically, the list shows:
    VV4 [serial number]
    VV4 [serial number]
    Smartcraft Gateway [ serial number of the first VV4 to connect]

    When I connect the other VV4 first, it’s (built-in) Gateway ( and matching VV4 serial number) shows as connected, and on selecting details, it shows the CAN address (8), same as the previously connected Gateway. This makes makes me think this is an instance problem.

    When I’m back in a couple of days, I’ll take some screenshots of the device connected list on the Raymarine network

    I agree with Tony, these Smartcraft screens should never have been paired with Cummins engines. There are too many functions that don’t work or are not compatible.

    #75580

    Corey Schmidt
    Forum Moderator
    Vessel Name: Rebel Belle
    Engines: Cummins
    Location: Oxnard, CA
    Country: USA

    A few questions:

    1) If the engines are NOT linked together, what is the purpose of having them set as MASTER / SLAVE on the MUS settings? Typically that “linking” is reserved for setups that have the optional C-CRUISE installed so the engines can be synced together, etc. with the Cummins system, not something external like a Glendinning system or similar….

    2) If you have VesselView 4 displays, these displays have NMEA 2000 gateway outputs already built-in… do you ALSO have separate SmartCraft gateway devices or are you using the displays themselves to output to NMEA?

    IMO, on a boat that does not have C-CRUISE, I would setup the engines as BOTH master engines, and then ID the displays as ID 1 and ID 2… then the VV4 displays themselves will identify accordingly (P&S) on the NMEA side, not the engines…

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